Comments on: Unions: Collective bargaining trumps national security

By: andy

andy — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:46:38 +0000

Me? A sheep? LOL! Ask Pauley how much of a “follower” I am. Try again, bud.

As for the rest of your arguement… two things. One: arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win… Two: I have better things to do. Like go to my job and be a “sheep”.

Good day, sir.

By: Pauley

Pauley — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:20:22 +0000

OK, to be fair, Ken’s been on me to get comment previewing on my blog for many months now, which would have helped him catch some of the tpyos (pun intended).

I suppose I should clarify my statement — I made the mistake of making a broad generalization. Not every union is evil. But I very much disapprove of a company being forced to recognize a union or only hire unionized employees. It should be perfectly within a corporation’s right to decline to work with a union, for whatever reason they choose.

– Pauley

By: K4

K4 — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:15:36 +0000

Yes, so I’m used to having a spell checker….i beileve that I made my point. Why attack my spelling/grammar and not my argument.

I’m not saying you should pay your employeer back. I’m saying that people should have to pay a portion….the fact that more of it is being paid by employees is in may way going to push changes. When people’s premiums are paid by the Company and they never need to pay much because it’s the “big, bad insurance company” that has to pay they don’t really realize that it’s the health care costs that are out of control. I think that people being reuired to pay is in part a good thing….it’s going to drive the health-care revolution that needs to happen in the next 10 years….i think that unions have prevented this from happening 10-15 years ago and have by and large HURT thequality of health care for all american thought their over-zelous and short-sighted “protection” of their members.

You also chose to ignore the rest of my argument…..then agin I suppose like any good sheep as long as you get someone else to pay you are willing to accept it blindly now matter how sub-standard it is……..

By: andy

andy — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:52:53 +0000

Seems like spelling and grammar are inappropriate as well.

And tell you what, since I’m such a good responsible citizen, let me start paying my employer back for the benefits they give to me for free, because I feel bad that others have to pay out of pocket for it. I think not.

Thank you, drive through.

By: K4

K4 — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:44:43 +0000

I agree with Pauley. I live in CA where the teachers union and the prison guards union have more power then an other org in the state (including the govenment). It’s sick when they out spend on political ad all other groups by more then 10x and in many cases the people they “represent” dis-agree with them. They teachers and prison guards have no option to opt-out of the union and often times pay dues of over $350 a month that support these campaigns. When the garbage collectors were on strike it was a union organized strike, any garbage collector NOT striking was exhiled from the union, and therefor fired as thy can only hire union members. I was reaing about 1 garbage collector who showed up for work and has now found that he is in-elegiable for many jobs (garbage collector, truck drive, and many skilled labor jobs) because they UNIONS have black-listed him. Seem like Unions have in many ways out-lived there usefulness. I will also point out that so few people have 100% company paid benifits any more that I would argue that that i inappropreate and a good argument AGAINST unions in my point of view. You should be responsible for a portion of your health care just like the other 80% of americans.

By: andy

andy — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:07:40 +0000

“Labor unions already care more about themselves and their positions of power than they do about their employees. Seems theyâ€™ve scratched national security off their list of priorities, too.”

Speaking as a union member (CWA Local 7500, to be precise), frankly, this is bullshit. The only reason I still have 100% company paid healthcare… and honestly, the reason I still have A JOB is because I have a union that stands up for me personally as well as the collective good of the employees. I get really tired of people slagging on unions and union workers.

I really have no argument with the rest of this, that comment just really irked me. It’s easy to criticize something you’ve never experienced firsthand. Believe me, I did my share before being a union worker. I’m damn glad I have a collective to back me up when I’m being wronged or fighting for my rights as an employee.